tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5291591634697141288.post6577959577062693816..comments2023-04-26T10:22:33.141+01:00Comments on The Road to "Elder" ado: Reaching menUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5291591634697141288.post-22002910518236694312008-12-06T13:45:00.000+00:002008-12-06T13:45:00.000+00:00Personally I think the real issue is genuineness. ...Personally I think the real issue is genuineness. E.g. 'Let's do a a pub quiz' - I'm there, whether it's in a church or not. But it has to be a quiz, not a covert operation to get me in church. <BR/><BR/>One reason 'men's ministry' struggles is because men are naturally suspicious...Jongudmundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355906920547912762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5291591634697141288.post-57545326324462898882008-12-03T12:51:00.000+00:002008-12-03T12:51:00.000+00:00The non-christian men I know and am good friends w...<I>The non-christian men I know and am good friends with find it rather embarrassing when we try and make the church 'blokey' to reach them.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree and that is kind of my point. I am not "trying" to do anything. I am doing what I enjoy and engaging other blokes while doing it.<BR/><BR/>Anything which tries to be a package "for men" automatically tends to exclude lots of men.<BR/><BR/>On the flip side of that - the activities I described is what lots of blokes my age do.<BR/><BR/>So I am not faking anything myself. And I am not forcing them into anything.<BR/><BR/>A friend of mine would blog how the game of chess and being part of a chess club is a great way of reaching men. It does nothing for me though.Blue, with a hint of amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17689914726284208496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5291591634697141288.post-82943663150748548652008-12-03T12:43:00.000+00:002008-12-03T12:43:00.000+00:00The problem is that I hate football (with a passio...The problem is that I hate football (with a passion), and am ambivalent about the goodness of tribal sports.<BR/><BR/>I don't go to the pub much - with three kids at home, church and work commitments etc, I think it would be unloving to my wife to go out there as well. |I look forward to the free evenings spent with my best friend - my wife.<BR/><BR/>I have a PS2, PSP, DS Lite but spend a few hours a month at most on them. Just don't have much time - and I think that many games which glorify violence, suffering, illegal gain or exploitation are seriously morally questionable.<BR/><BR/>Food - now that is a different matter ... Oh yes!<BR/><BR/>However, I am not 'blokey' and honestly find it all a bit patronising (as my wife finds much women's ministry patronising as well). The non-christian men I know and am good friends with find it rather embarrassing when we try and make the church 'blokey' to reach them.<BR/><BR/>Here is another interesting slat - not that I agree with it all though:<BR/><BR/>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/11/25/the-feminization-of-the-church-a-modern-day-fix/Ian Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777033213615262701noreply@blogger.com